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martin3746PM
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True or false?
Oct 13, 2012 3:01 PM
[BE]///martin3746 Brig General - Joined: Jun 17, 2010
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I founded this picture:http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=452712191439442&set=a.451935791517082.101409.100001019959654&type=1&theater

And i wonder, is this really true? Cause if it is im just ashamed of the laws there
imposPM
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Oct 13, 2012 6:54 PM
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link doesn't worrrrk
paranoid_mindPM
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Oct 14, 2012 5:26 AM
[BE]///Paranoid Lt. General - Joined: Aug 06, 2010
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martin, right click the picture, save the link and copy it here
martin3746PM
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Oct 14, 2012 5:52 AM
[BE]///martin3746 Brig General - Joined: Jun 17, 2010
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Oh right its on facebook so you cant see it, but it sad this:

Gay marriage is legal in 6 states, but having sex with a horse is legal in 23. Good going, America
rifledropperPM
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Oct 14, 2012 8:02 AM
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The statement that it's 'legal in 23 states' is misleading.
It's more of a case of never actually writing a law to ban it. Unfortunately it must have happened enough to need to be dealt with in some places. Michigan isn't a big 'horse' state, so my luck it's probably 'legal' here, because it's never had to be banned.

It's like saying this... In the country where you live it's very likely that no laws have been written to make it illegal to stick a flashlight in in your butt, bend over, and make shadow puppets on the wall. Not that I think you would, just sayin'.

So it could then be said that in xxx country it is legal to stick a flashlight in your ass and perform shadow puppetry. That doesn't mean that it is the normal thing to do, or that it's widely accepted.

So the statements 'is this really true? Cause if it is im just ashamed of the laws there' and '... is legal in 23. Good going America'... Well, they can, at the very least, be looked at a number of ways.

cptjohnboyPM
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Oct 14, 2012 12:09 PM
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Very nicely put lol...


imposPM
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Oct 14, 2012 11:06 PM
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A horse is no longer a horse if it has lipstick-- Now it's a lady
martin3746PM
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Oct 15, 2012 10:12 AM
[BE]///martin3746 Brig General - Joined: Jun 17, 2010
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Well then i understand a bit, but still that its so few states that allow gay marriage still makes me wonder
cptjohnboyPM
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Oct 15, 2012 2:08 PM
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I don't want to get into the discussion of homosexual marriage, or my view on homosexuality in general. However I will say this, the dictionary definition of marriage is a union between a man and a woman.


(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage)
mar·riage
noun \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Definition of MARRIAGE
1
a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>

Legal Dictionary (http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/marriage)

MARRIAGE. A contract made in due form of law, by which a free man and a free woman reciprocally engage to live with each other during their joint lives, in the union which ought to exist between husband and wife. By the terms freeman and freewoman in this definition are meant, not only that they are free and not slaves, but also that they are clear of all bars to a lawful marriage. Dig. 23, 2, 1; Ayl. Parer. 359; Stair, Inst. tit. 4, s. 1; Shelford on Mar. and Div. c. 1, s. 1.

However I am sure people are working to change the definition of marriage. It is more of a religious ceremony anyway. If you believe the biblical account then it is simply between a man, woman and God and He is the one who set up the system so if its to be changed then it is only Him who can change it, not a state legislature or any other form of government.



rifledropperPM
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Oct 15, 2012 5:22 PM
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martin3746 wrote:
Well then i understand a bit, but still that its so few states that allow gay marriage still makes me wonder


The short answer...
It's only a very small problem as it affects some 12% of the population, and that 12% is split among the various political parties. This means that whatever stance the politician takes he's only going to be speaking for maybe 5% of the people that would have voted for him in any case. So it's not (really) that important to them. They would rather get the attention of the other 95%. They only talk about it all all because of the current 'step on no toes' policy.

The longer view...
One way to look at it, using your own example.

Horsef*****g is legal in 23 states because no sick bastard has been caught buggering his horse in those states, thus there has been no need to write a law to forbid the act. No vote was ever cast to allow it, but when it happened they decided to legislate.

Gay marriage is something that a small but very vocal minority are actually seeking. It is also very controversial, so it makes the politicians nervous. If they are a leader/leading figure in politics and can fairly accurately predict how their constituents will react to their stance on gay marriage, or have a personal stake, they might take a stand. Most are not the 'big names' or leading politicians, so they stay carefully out of reach of any topic that could potentially be very damaging to their career. It's a big topic that (honestly) affects a small percentage of people. If they support legislation supporting gay marriage you lose the support of the church, for one, and many others. If you support legislation against gay marriage it's much safer.

Basically, they would rather keep their job than actually do their job. They are covering their collective asses.

***** Rant Alert *****

Can't stand that whole 'step on no toes' B.S., our country was founded as a Democracy with freedoms for everyone(?), based on the will of the people (represented by the vote). This means that the majority rules things. In the last 30 years that has changed dramatically. Now somehow we have to be extremely careful not to offend any group, no matter how small, regardless of the laws passed by the majority. Somehow our democracy has transformed so that is has to go into excruciating detail for every idea put forth by every/any small group that has differing ideas from the general masses. So this basically means those groups are actually asserting control by hindering the progress of the mass opinion. I'm not saying that the 'minority' opinion should be squashed, but it shouldn't become a burden to bear every time, as it now does.

***** End of my rant *****

The straight answer to 'why is gay marriage only legal in 6 states?' is... Politics.

If it were truly up to the people, it would have never even been an issue. It would have just happened. The issue has been misused for political reasons, much like the topic of abortion has.

Last edited by: rifledropper Oct 15, 2012 5:27 PM
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