Do not know when/why I was banned.

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I usually go by the name "Bender" but change it around every now and then.

Thanks for any info/response.

On 2011/05/20, you joined SGC Guns #51 (L4D1) and the following was recorded in the notes of your ban:

"Ran way ahead, got pounced by a hunter, then said -shit server- then left."

Typically, when someone doesn't like our modded servers to the point they talk bad about them, we figure we will save you the trouble of coming back to a server you don't like.

In CS:S and TF2, you can Blacklist servers you don't like, this saves you, the player, the grief of going back to a server you don't like. Valve has not added that luxury to L4D/L4D2 that I have seen yet, so we are blacklisting our server for you. It save you time and grief and it saves us and players that like our servers the time and grief of hearing players bad mouth the way we set up our servers, which is the way we like them.

So, that is the reasoning. If there is anything else that we can do, let us know.

LOL I can't believe you would actually BAN someone for something so trivial. That's definitely not over-reacting or anything

Stay classy

LOL I can't believe that you would trash talk a server an not expect any repercussions. That's definitely not being an idiot or anything.

Stay pro

mkay, sure, because a one-time incident is DEFINITELY indicative of a recurring pattern of behavior, so a permaban is TOTALLY the appropriate response, not simply a tempban

that was the reason for my unban request, because it was a single incident, not a pattern, and zero-tolerance policies do nothing but alienate people from your servers/group

OK,,,,,,,,,,,,I just want to chime in here. Everyone knows me as very forgiving. so with that said as long as bender is sorry, and really wants to play on our servers, I think we should let him.

Bender, I know a friend of yours and they said you are a good player and a good guy. So Im going to take their word for it and stand up for you here. So with that said I hope Geek might take that into consideration ..... Geek... Im willing to vote (give him a pass)

but i know the final vote is yours....... and stand behind it.

Well, let's recap...

He trashed talked the server and then, much later, posted a message asking why he was banned.

My first response was a response to his question with the explanation.

He followed with an apology that he was sorry he said what he said in the server and then stated that it would never happen again as he would be mindful of other players in the server, regardless of whether they are an admin or just a regular player.

Doh! Wait! That last sentence is false. I must be thinking of a different unban request. Hmm. Ya know... I have looked through this thread several times and can't find one apology or sign of remorse, just an attack on the server owner and ranking clan member.

Well, after my initial response, this "unban request" has went downhill. I am forgiving also, but i also was not born last night.

I will wait to see if the tone changes.

Thank you for the recap. This thread had so much to read, I was beginning to lose track of things in my head. But your recap solved that problem. And I certainly appreciate your professionalism in how you clearly responded to my most recent request for an explanation of your zero-tolerance policy.

Doh! Wait! That last paragraph is false. I must be thinking of a different admin. Hmm. Ya know, I've looked through your entire recent post several times and can't find one single sentence that responded to my last request, just a bunch of rambling.


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Ok, so now that we've both shot a few pointlessly condescending remarks at each other, could we get back on track?

I cannot genuinely apologize, because in all honesty I don't even remember that specific round. To apologize, I'd have to knowingly remember doing and saying what I’m being accused of. And I can't honestly say that. That doesn't mean I'm currently saying "you have a shit server", it just means I can't say one way or the other, because I don't remember. And I'm not going to apologize JUST to get unbanned.

If I had a chance to go back into that server, play a round, and take an honest look at whether I think it's good or not, THEN I would have enough info to go make a fair judgment. But I'm not going to do it just to make you happy.

So, again, I am requesting to be unbanned. IF that happens, I would not go into your server and troll people, or run ahead by myself or trash talk the server, even if I really really thought it genuinely was a "shit server". That's as honest as I can be about it. I'm assuming you know/realize that the reason I tried to go into that server the other day was to play a round with someone on my friends list. I don't troll/run ahead/talk shit when I'm in a server with people on my friends list.
I can't apologize for something I don't remember doing, and I hope you can at least understand that reasoning. I understand your reasoning for banning my ID, as you explained it earlier, so I hope you can understand mine.

Whether you unban me or not, I still suggest you seriously reconsider your zero-tolerance policy.

Bender,

My first response to you was straightforward. No sarcasm, no bs, just the why and reason to answer your question so that you would understand. You then call it trivial. But I have been running servers since 2005, dealing with many different types of jackwagons who think that they can come into any server and make their own rules as though it is their server. I and all of the SGC admins over the years get tired of the attitudes. Since L4D1 came out over 2.5 years ago, we have increased the number of servers in SGC, mostly L4D1 until L4D2 came out. We have been running about 15 total servers for the last 1.5 years, mostly L4D 1 & 2 with a few TF2 and CSS added in. We currently have about 50,000 players who have come through our L4D 1 & 2 servers in the last 10 months, which was about when I wiped all of the L4D stats to start everyone fresh again. I would have to look at backup of the old stats before I wiped them out along with the stats of the original game that SGC was formed on for a larger number, but you get the idea that even though we have not played with all or most of them, we do spend time in our servers and didn't just start up last week.

As we have come across situations and different idiots, we've taken our time to develop ways to deal with them and it's been a group effort. Our "little tolerance" policies were not just spur of the moment "snap" decisions. We discuss matters and decide how best to deal with them and occasionally may have to alter responses to situations, but we have been doing this long enough that we take our time so all the admins can weigh in on matters for the group to work together. And YES, we do find that "one time" incidents are very often indicative of reoccurring behavior. On the situations that impact SGC, our servers, and players in our servers, we've had to make stricter consequences. You, as a player, may not understand what we've had to deal with for years, but we do and we have to weigh the different factors, repercussions, and consequences. You may not like that you put yourself in a situation that we've dealt with for years, but in my first post I explained in detail why, but it doesn't seem that you even care that there was a good reason since you don't run SGC servers and you don't have to deal with it on a daily and weekly basis.

Even in your last post, you couldn't even buckle down and humbly admit "I don't remember doing that, but I could have, and if I did, I am sorry". We may have little tolerance for some things that will result in a ban, but we have a ban appeal process. We've posted guidelines for the process and if you read through all of the appeals on this site, you will see that those who accept responsibility, apologize, offer to abide by our rules, and are mature with their protests have been successful in getting back in our servers. Those who show attitudes, treat us as though we are idiots, refuse to admit that they did anything wrong, etc., generally are not getting back in our servers. On more than one occasion, I have had to clarify with different admins "We ban attitudes, not players". We aren't banning players because we don't like them, we ban them for what they do negatively to our servers, SGC, and our players.

This goes back to your ban. What I tried to explain to you in my first post was that at least once a month, players may get dumped into our modded servers from the lobby system and they can't stand modded servers, they trash talk the server then leave. Then within a few minutes, the lobby system dumps them back into our server, more trash talking, often worse, then leave again. Players in our servers get tired of it and we really get tired of it. We didn't decide to start banning players the first time this situation happened. But after a dozen or so times, we had to start doing something about it. We couldn't keep the lobby system from dumping random players in our servers, but we can keep them from coming back. We decided on banning these players who hate modded servers to save us grief and to save them the grief of wasted time in a server they don't want to be in anyway. So when you said what you said, you qualified as someone who didn't want to be in our servers.

Now you've added attitude and lack of ownership of what I know you did, that you should know you could have done even though you don't remember doing it.

We have over 1000 bans, which may have "alienated" the jackwagons, but it has not alienated common, mindful players. We have heard on many occasions players thanking us and continue to play on our servers because we do our best to keep the servers playable with minimal "troublemakers". Many of our common players let us know when someone has been acting up and what was going on. We don't base a ban on that, but they give us enough information for us to investigate. Sometimes the log files confirm the complaint enough for us to act, but many times we will just have to pay attention when any said players are back in our servers.


Are you going to be unbanned? It doesn't look good at this point.

Are we going to reconsider our low-tolerance policies? No.

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fucking grow up child.

won't be checking this place again, i'm not wasting any more time with your madmins