Hello,
My server rank is removed by you.. possible reason that i use bots in my server. I have a deathmatch server new.. since its new and takes time to reach people and with mod where it needs more than 10 people we have added bots in it.. This is for startup later on im going to remove the bots.. also this we have this bots system where if one player joins in 1 bot leaves on the time when players joins. Therefore when there are 14 bots and if 14 people joins in all bots gets removed automatically. bots are needed for startup for this mod until it reaches to people.. I hope you guys understand and give our server rank back! or please suggest me the possible solutions for it because we have a good bot system where bot leaves when players joins! And we are using it for some time only until server reaches to people and we are going to remove bots!
Note - We aren't using bots for ranking up! You can check server anytime!
Server Details -
Game: Counter Strike 1.6
Server Name: <3 1.6 | DeathMatch [CSDM] | Asia
IP: 139.59.95.240
Join Port:44444
Query Port:44444

Please Help Me Asap!
Thanks!

This is why we have a Guides and FAQs section.
(also linked in my posting 'signature' below)

My server is banned or removed from ranking - Read carefully to understand the possible reasons.


Post your appeal here:
Requests for Server Reranking and Unbans

Read the first post (by Burn) carefully before posting.

Dear OP, you have made your reasoning even more harder for a reasonable un-ban, in other words if you were to be un-banned, you must expect all other not-ranked servers to be magically ranked again.

Specially considering that you are running more "undetected" bots than the limit set by GameTracker, which makes it harder to believe that you didn't know what you were doing.

I think it would have been better if you were more honest about it, rather than justifying about all those bots in your server.

Hi,

When we added bots to this server, we were aware of the rule that GT allows max 3 undetected bots. But we never hide bots. We added 14 to start the game. The status query always shows the bot count explicitly as shown in the image below. What am trying to convey is we are not trying to cheat, we host only to keep 1.6 alive. That is all we care about. Is there any suggestion for us ? We use Podbot.

If bots are added 'properly', the Gametracker scanner detects them as bots and they do not count toward player count.

On the Gametracker server page, detected bots will have the word 'BOT' in small letters beside the player name.
This is added by the scanner/page and is not part of the player name.

Hi hamartia,

hamartia wrote:
we were aware of the rule that GT allows max 3 undetected bots.

Okay.

hamartia wrote:
But we never hide bots.

Because you just can't hide bots. Once they connect and take an actual player slot, it will show up in GameTracker too, unless you use some other type of exploits, which I'm sure there are.

hamartia wrote:
We added 14 to start the game.

Exactly, 14 bots? Damn, that's nearly close as half of the maximum player count that HLDS server can run. In other words, a massive break down of GameTracker's maximum bot count for a server, which is 3 of course, again.

hamartia wrote:
What am trying to convey is we are not trying to cheat,

Aw hell nah, not trying to say that you guys are cheating in-game. But 14 bots are a direct violation of GameTracker rules, which in other words, it can be considered as a server rank "cheat".

hamartia wrote:
we host only to keep 1.6 alive. That is all we care about.

Thank you, I think the Counter Strike 1.6 community needs you even more. But the server should be alive for the actual people, not for the bots. And 14 bots running here and there is not going to keep the game alive, and players aren't stupid to notice that you are in-fact injecting bots into the server. That's all GameTracker ranking system cares about.

hamartia wrote:
Is there any suggestion for us ?

Get a new IP address, start with 3 bots for your deathmatch gamemode.

hamartia wrote:
We use Podbot

Good luck.

@chimaera500

Hi,

We conclude that irrespective of bots hidden or not, GT allows only 3 bots max.Thank you for the clarification. We didn't do any explicit hacks to hide from GT that they were bots. We add bots not to make people stupid. It is because the first few players get bored when there are only 3 bots to accompany them and the map de_dust2 is so big that the player is going to spend most of the time searching for the 2 enemies (We dont enable FFA because we think it might degrade the players reflexes on team mates). I would say 50% of our players are aware and the other 50% arent aware about bots in game. I am not trying to justify here, am just letting you know the current 1.6 scene where players are very low these days and are not patient enough to wait for players to join.

We can reduce the bots to 3. We don't host for ranks (1 or 9999) but we do care about NR.

Can you please answer the following question. Probably I won't ask anymore regarding this. This will be the last.

"Bots added properly", I thought Podbot was legit and many were using it. I verified that it showed the bot count in the status query and the cs server info window showed the correct count of only players and ignored the bots. I don't understand what logic is used by GT to decide its a bot. May be each player info should have the key and value regarding bot or not I guess. Can you please let me know any bot module which complies with the statement "Bots added properly".

@hazh

Are you a staff ? If not, you are just adding more oil.

hamartia wrote:

@hazh

Are you a staff ? If not, you are just adding more oil.
I'm not a "staff". I'm a community member and I have full rights to discuss this issue publicly. I'm not violating any rules here, or am I? Damn. Who am I asking lol.

To make this easy for you, in case you are going through a hard time looking for holes in GameTracker ranking rules to escape, I don't really care about the outcome of this report, but I will surely add "more oil" or in other words "post my facts" to this one and interfere in every way possible because it's just fun to sit back and watch.

hamartia wrote:
@chimaera500

Hi,

We conclude that irrespective of bots hidden or not, GT allows only 3 bots max.Thank you for the clarification.

We can reduce the bots to 3. We don't host for ranks (1 or 9999) but we do care about NR.

Can you please answer the following question. Probably I won't ask anymore regarding this. This will be the last.

"Bots added properly", I thought Podbot was legit and many were using it. I verified that it showed the bot count in the status query and the cs server info window showed the correct count of only players and ignored the bots.


The specific line in the rules My server is banned or removed from ranking states: "- More than 3 fake players or undetected bots.".

The "undetected" is the key word.
You are entirely welcome, in general, to have as many AI bots as you wish, providing Gametracker is able to detect them as bots, and that they don't count towards the player count on the Gametracker server page for your server.

At this moment in time, all 14 players on your server https://www.gametracker.com/server_info/139.59.95.240:44444/ are appearing as real players, and counting towards the player count.

I am not aware of any specific objection to the 'Podbot', however it must report as an AI bot to Gametracker and not count towards player count.

You may find more assistance (from other server owners) with getting bots to be detected by asking in the appropriate game forums https://www.gametracker.com/forums/

There are certainly examples of servers reporting bots correctly on other CS 1.6 servers.

@chimaera500

Thank you for the update. We will do the necessary modifications and apply for ranking again.

@hazh

Actually I got a bit confused that a staff was responding. In our case there is no need for a new ip. All we need to do it remove the bots or make them visible to GT and apply for ranking again. Also all we needed was an official answer from the staff and was not expecting a member to reply because we expected only credible response. Felt like yet another wannabe. Hence was my comment on your reply. Thank you.