09/27 02:13:07 KillaWazza: and so did i and you reckon i done fuck all, your so full of yourself, get off your pedastool and take a look at the real world
09/27 02:13:39 KillaWazza: Go build your disco computer, hope it lights up your life
09/27 02:13:43 KillaWazza: this place wont
09/27 02:13:50 deadlizard: It has ^^^ wazza
09/27 02:14:04 deadlizard: bye
09/27 02:14:08 KillaWazza: bye
09/27 02:14:14 'deadlizard' has left the chat.
09/27 02:14:18 KillaWazza: hahahahaha
09/27 02:14:52 GPL33ster: LOL

That's the spirit wazza
Hostile takeover ftw

Not a hostile takeover, APG can remain however it wants to and i will not be a part of it. If it closes down, so be it, if it changes hands, so be it.

Im not really fussed but with all the commotion it seams i cannot just walk away from gaming, to many loyal friends.

Cheers guys.

Wazza

I just read all this fucking BS. What the hell is Warlock doing and talking about? He just signed his death wish for APG. APG as we see it now has just collapsed. Warlock will not be able to get this clan back up and running like he wants to.

Oh yeah, everybody asked Warlock what happened to the money at least a good dozen times. Warlock still to this damn day hasn't gave a good solid answer as to what actually happened to the money. I will only send money to Wazza and I have, and I made a post in our forums about only sending money to Wazza.

I will not be apart of this BS and I will follow Wazza all the way. I have told Wazza this in the past and I will stand by Wazza's side. Warlock if you actually read this I really really hope you know what your doing because I don't think your going to recover from this mess.

McLean_007

Well I'm pretty much with McLean on this.

Warlock, I've had some good talks with you, and I can appreciate that you want to hold on to something that you started. I can understand, really. However, what I can't understand is your attitude about it.

What others have said is 100% true, APG is not ONE person. While there is a chain of command, and you may be the first founder, and you may have started things (and I appreciate that), it has taken quite a bit of effort on some of our parts to keep this whole things going.

Lets face it, you were completely M.I.A. for a while. I'm not counting against you, but amazingly enough during that time we were able to keep this clan going.

I am not trying to too my own horn, but from even before I joined this clan, and especially after I joined, I busted my ass talking to people, making posts, trying to make things better and have a hand in making APG better for THE WHOLE. And I don't appreciate the fact that so many times, it has blown up in my face, and others faces, because you had a bad day.

When you have a clan or guild like this, you have to rely on other people, and when you think you are having trouble making an objective decision or having trouble dealing with it, deligate it to someone else who can think clearly.

All this has done is further the ruining of your reputation. It was bad enough when we had policies, access, and projects either changed or trashed because you got pissed. But now it has gone to this extreme and it has completely torn the clan apart.

I will not be returning to APG. I'm sorry Warlock, you seem like you have good intentions, but like the saying goes, the road to hell is lead by good intentions. Between having you throw mood swings into the mix, and people like Negative Angel, eating away at moral like a cancer... I wan't no more to do with this wicked drama.

I have enough going on in my life. This doesn't help my grandmother get well, or bring my fiance back, or run my company for me, or go to school for me, and it sure as hell doesn't pay my bills. I have busted my ass trying to help out, and I have backed the new Chain Of Command, just to have it all thrown away for a temper tantrum. All this change and work for something better, just to be thrown away over a fit... its juvenile b.s.

No thanks.

Wazza, McLean, etc... if you guys get something new rolling or whatever, let me know. Until then, I'll check up on things and kinda just sit back. I'm not going to get sucked into more drama.

- Echo_8

Echo, preach on biaaaatch because we regulate. Yeah that is right REGULATORS MOUNT UP.

[quote="Killawazza"]"it seams i cannot just walk away from gaming, to many loyal friends."

I can respect that, and that is exactly why I won't give up on [APG]

The multi-game format and name where mine and this whole thing shits me no end.
War put in the work getting it running and you kept it alive for awhile.
(Which I would thank you for under different circumstances)
I only recently stepped into a position to affect real change and then this shit happens.

Like I've said, It's a sad state of affairs that didn't have to be sorted out publicly.
But whats done is done.
Such is life.
Don't be a stranger.

-DeadLizard








in Fact, fuck it ... Thank you for running APG for so long...

I think that I can honestly say that another reason that all of us relatively "new" people (people that weren't in YIS previous... minus Splicer, I don't know if Deadeye was or not) left was because of a lack of communication between us and the powers that were. In regards to staff in APG, I had a general idea that Taurus was a really cool guy, Something I've seen since he became clan leader, I still don't know what Snakeh is like, Negative seems nice when she isn't drunk ( ), for you Lizzy I'm surprised to see you get so serious about your role all of a sudden; when I was in APG I honestly thought you didn't care, Wazza I knew through vent and communication on the forums and also playing with him, Warlock I knew through his various public displays (I never actually got to have some fun with him in Combat Arms... always serious stuff), Tombs I still haven't met and haven't seen except for defending Warlock, Deadeye is a great guy and I've seen a lot of him, Barter has been EXTREMELY active on the forums and I've played with him in-game too. (I think that's all of them)

That is my impressions of the current staff (well, was current before this stuff happened) of APG, after being in the clan for half a year now, and having around 1750 posts on the forums. I was very active, yet this was what I saw.

Now, the reason some of the people that have been around for FOREVER haven't left is probably because they know you guys, there's a whole different type of communication between them and you people. For me though, I felt I only knew a handful of staff members... they very people that were making all the big decisions behind the scenes. This is all fine and dandy if your members have been around for a very long time and know you and understand what's going on, but a lack of communication to new members will only get people frustrated and confused.

My advice in the future: receive the new members a little more openly, and they have a greater chance of sticking around, providing everyone with more fun, etc. The reason I stuck around was because of people Admin rank and below, and Beantown, as he did try to get to know the members a bit more. Without people like that I would not have tried to join in the first place.

Oh and Noobman is a great guy too, although he only recently got promoted to (staff?)

I would have added Muts, but he's no longer staff either.

-Dibs

I wanna direct this solely to Lizard, atleast for now anyway.

It would have been nice to keep this BS from the public eye but banning Schultz for Undermining my authority ( or something to that effect) was ridiculous and then removing my auth from Daemon, c"mon, i have full access the the servers, what did he really expect to happen. Im not gonna take it lying down. Im no-ones bitch! No not even the wifes, well maybe sometimes, lol.

As you would well know i didn't even play games until Wozzle introduced me to FA and from there i went on to fund things for War as a bit of a favour to my bro. Things escalated from there because it all sort of fell into place so well.

After reading from some of the loyal friends i have made what War has apparently been dribbling about me i am far more pissed than i would have been. I helped out for 1, 2 maybe 3 months tops, sorry War but wake the fuck up. Trash talk wont get us anywhere, i will not talk to you as long as i think you are gonna ramble on about shit.

I respect what you said about loyalty though, i understand why you wouldn't wanna let APG go, it was at the end of the day your idea, NOT WARS, correct? You pair had a falling out, maybe not a major but a falling out over similar shit all the same.

I have no beef with you Lizard and wont sever ties for no reason, im not that way inclined.

I'll just end it here, i could prob go on for ages, not worth it. I will try not to be a stranger but i dont think i could ever be a helping hand for APG again.

Wazza

lizard, i will say this... War was not the only one who worked on creating APG, Wazza, Myself, Tombs... we all played a part in getting it up and running... however the direction APG is going is from a multi-gaming, multi-platform clan, to a 2142 clan... and that's NOT what i helped to create. I'm not going to mention any other names but I'm not the only one who's noticed and feels the same way i do. Now i have nothing against anyone in APG, but its not the same clan it was when it was set up a few years ago (as it wasn't 6+ years for APG, its been just over 3...)

Wazza, I'm with you on this buddy, especially after reading what was posted above.

-Snakeh